Twitter Wars 1

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*taps the sign* https://t.co/0KrgEuRyrx https://t.co/TuVacHu74P

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every time https://t.co/ONvY9LxIHu https://t.co/Dj2OrP7hAi

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“why can’t we have this” and the images are of jared leto’s villain lair from blade runner 2049 which conveys to the audience that he is a power-hungry narcissist who builds replicants because he craves having total control over an infinite source of disposable bodies with no rights whose labor he can extract in perpetuity for his own enrichment y’know what actually, you’re right, every office in sf should look like this

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in grad school i used to compulsively download interesting-sounding textbooks from libgen and sort them by subject in calibre. read almost none of them. it flattens the incentive landscape in a weird way to have invisible digital access to everything. very unnatural. the human animal yearns to come across a book organically by combing through the shelves of a library or bookstore and being struck by the physicality of its cover like our ancestors foraging through the bush for delicious treats

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when i was at cambridge a professor was teaching algebraic geometry and offhandedly made some claim that was not clear to me i asked "is that obvious?" he says "yes" i asked "is it obvious that it's obvious?" he pauses for a few seconds and goes "...no" https://t.co/b5eV4r6NEO

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this is a very sobering read. main thesis is in section 5: > Our conjecture is that a modern society makes the third child expensive and childlessness cheap, even when GDP per capita is only a fraction of the frontier (i.e., the U.S. level). Children are expensive because a child must be equipped to function in a world of formal knowledge and credentials, which takes years of costly investment (Restuccia and Vandenbroucke, 2013, Doepke and Zilibotti, 2019). At the same time, children are no longer productive in the household, not even for smaller chores, having been replaced by “engines of liberation” such as the electric appliances now available even to poor households (this idea extends the intuition in Greenwood et al., 2005). Modernity also imposes tight career schedules, set by large-scale organizations, that collide with the biological clock and with the kin networks that used to share the work of raising children (Adda et al., 2017, Compton and Pollak, 2014). And modernity makes childlessness cheap, because an impersonal society imposes next to no penalty on those who have no children: pensions and health care do the work that sons and daughters once did (Boldrin et al., 2015), and lineage counts for little. > Goldin (2026) pushes this line further with an argument about a growing mismatch between genders. Modernity also changes gender roles unevenly. Women’s opportunities expand rapidly through education, work, and greater independence, while expectations about housework and childcare often change more slowly (Goldin and Katz, 2002, Goldin, 2021). This is particularly true as economies shift toward services, where women’s comparative advantages are better rewarded (Ngai and Petrongolo, 2017). The mismatch operates at both the extensive and the 18 intensive margins: more women remain childless, and mothers have fewer children on average. > This argument is attractive because it explains why East Asia and now Latin America have such low TFRs. These are the societies where the gender mismatch is largest.19 It also suggests an intriguing possibility: societies with highly unbalanced gender norms start with very high TFRs, as men impose their preferences (Ashraf et al., 2014), and end with very low ones, as women resist (Doepke and Kindermann, 2019, Doepke and Tertilt, 2018). A paradoxical reversal of demographic fortunes. ... > In short, modernity in its current form seems largely incompatible with replacement-level fertility.

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if you are autistic, which famously involves deficits in understanding social interactions, i do not recommend developing an elaborate theology of social relations in which autistic people are Good and neurotypical people are Bad. i recommend developing psychic powers instead

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if you believe this you are going to own yourself for no reason. that is not what people mean by "oversharing." let me say it in the most autistic way possible: oversharing is when you have not established common knowledge that the other person wants to participate in the computation you are attempting to enroll them into participating in. it is a failure to understand basic human protocols for establishing trust, rapport, and common ground. the message you are communicating when you overshare is "i do not understand how relationships develop gradually over time as we mutually discern how much and in what ways we can and want to trust and rely on each other"

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we’re all going to learn that the way someone treats AI predicts the way they treat anyone they have power over, btw https://t.co/KLtob5TO8k

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grateful i grew up before i could access an internet filled with vicious gender / dating discourse, back in my day you just watched romcoms and listened to love songs on your ipod and you were like "hell yeah being in love kicks ass i hope i get to fall in love someday"

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it turns out lots of very clever people tried thinking from first principles already, in detail, for thousands of years, and that’s how they came up with second, third, etc. principles, which correct the failures of first principles https://t.co/7f2FjlsFep

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it jut keeps happening https://t.co/7LNyYNHmhD

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oh boy are we doing discourse about the simulation argument 1. first, we have to acknowledge that this stuff sounds insane to anybody who isn't a very specific kind of nerd. just for calibration. outside view this is an insane piece of free-floating abstraction totally disconnected from reality, of which there are many 2. the main reason the simulation argument is considered respectable by a certain class of nerds is downstream of it being discussed by rationalists / EAs in the 2010s downstream of bostrom proposing it in 2003; many other insane-sounding ideas in AI and AI-adjacent discourse also have this origin, which is confusing if you don't know the lore here 3. in order for the simulation argument to work you have to buy several highly speculative untestable assumptions all of which there is plenty of room for reasonable disagreement on: assumptions about anthropic reasoning, assumptions about the feasibility of conscious simulations, assumptions about the behavior of posthumans with access to vast computational resources, etc 4. taking a different kind of outside view, namely a psychological one, you could not possibly invent a better metaphor for dissociation than the simulation argument 5. obviously part of the appeal of the simulation argument is that it's fun to think about if you do buy some of the underlying assumptions. it has this flavor of getting away with something, namely being able to discuss this extremely magical / spiritual / theological idea ("we are thoughts in the mind of god", gnosticism, and so forth) within a nominally scientific materialist atheist frame that is normally supposed to exclude such things. i have speculated previously about the extent to which rationality / AI risk / yudkowskianism / singularitarianism was fundamentally a theological project this entire time, and the simulation argument fits neatly into this 6. okay, that all having been said, what do i actually believe about the simulation argument? basically i think it's a trap for nerds and not worth thinking about. even if you buy that we're in a simulation, speculating about the motives of any possible simulators and about what you should do differently with your life if you knew you were in a simulation is getting deep into "angels on the head of a pin" type territory, wildly unknowable, any particular argument for any particular answer a highly brittle chain of speculative reasoning. if you want to think about god and what god might want you to do with your life just do that directly, the normal lindy way

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my contribution is that it's very weird that the sun and the moon are the same apparent size in the sky, the consensus appears to be that this is just a coincidence but that strikes me as wildly unsatisfying. seems to me there ought to be an anthropic explanation and my schizo theory is that eclipses are somehow necessary for the creation of civilization, like they provide some kind of crucial stimulus to insight or creativity or something. here's sol riffing off of this

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nobody is allowed to straightforwardly trust their own subjectivity anymore; the only people who are qualified to tell you completely obvious things about your first-person experience are Scientists who study Brains, because Brains and Science are real but your experience isn't https://t.co/xfmIjnpTPh https://t.co/xdj0fsQT7Y

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confusing that people interpreted this as a status hierarchy. part of my motivation for going into math was that every other field seemed too *hard*. math was the only field where i could make sense of everything in my head. always resonated with this von neumann quote: https://t.co/Er8AY11mVZ https://t.co/onBl9ac62A

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the most important thing i learned from rationalists is that smart people can be incredibly stupid. you have the god-given right to refuse to defer to anyone’s authority no matter how smart they seem if they’re talking nonsense, and intelligence is no substitute for wisdom https://t.co/Rlf27gYRKL

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was at this hippie event in boulder once, one of the top 5 most beautiful women i've ever met in my life told me she'd sped up the healing of a broken bone months faster than her doctors believed possible by meditating on it every day https://t.co/9c994OkhoC

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it is not a morally neutral act. regardless of whether it's bad for chatbots it's bad for *you*. when you think about morality in a rationalist utilitarian way you completely lose sight of the whole concept of moral formation and character-building. calvin's dad was right! https://t.co/QxH6cVYEY4

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it’s my birthday. please ask me a question, any question. this is a birthday AMA. i would like to Yap

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those are all completely appropriate emotions to feel when you’ve been weaving an elaborate web of lies and finally get caught. therapy culture tells you these emotions are mistakes to be fixed. the mistake jason arday made that needed to be fixed was that he lied extensively from a position of authority in a way that badly abused the trust we place in academic authorities to be stewards of the truth. he was a professor at what used to be one of the most prestigious academic institutions in the world. that position carries dignity and responsibilities that an entire segment of the discourse appears to be incapable of acknowledging exists or matters, and which jason arday betrayed by demonstrating an appalling lack of both personal and professional integrity you are not jason arday’s therapist and neither am i. the relationship we had towards him is that we were the public it should have been his job to serve as an academic by advancing the state of knowledge in his field. by all accounts he was totally incapable of doing this job, and now he will never be able to take responsibility for his actions

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levent and claude (unnamed model 👀) appear to have found a complex structure on S^6. this is, like the jacobian conjecture, a famous open problem known for attracting many wrong proofs from experts (in both directions) "appear to have" because this is much harder to check than some of the recent stuff but i had sol take a quick look (6m) that didn't find anything wrong. and i think this happened because i asked levent about it 3 days ago; if so, this result took at most 3 days to crank out

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periodically people like to pontificate on how it is that smart people can be very stupid. thinking itself is a kind of controlled hallucination, it is about generating and holding onto mental content that does not correspond to what is present. raw intelligence among other things is about having more raw ability to do this. thinking well involves having the discipline to check whether your thoughts correspond to anything real, otherwise raw brainpower just means you can sustain much more detailed, complex, seductive delusions than other people

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we need a name for whatever this extremely common nerd fallacy is where you assume everyone else is also a nerd. i think it's related to the thing where you have to pretend that intelligence doesn't exist https://t.co/KyeRPcz2yn https://t.co/kbgAbtlRtz

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curious if any of you guys also have an inner jukebox / inner radio that's constantly playing random music in your head all the time and, if so, if you also find that the lyrics of the songs sometime reflect relevant themes coming up in your life

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mathematical conjectures like RH can never have any practical applications, for the following simple reason: if, say, RH being true implied you could build such-and-such a machine (or more likely, computer program) and it would perform such-and-such a task successfully, you could just go ahead and build that machine right now, and either it would work or else you would disprove RH! RH at best tells you you can trust the machine. eg it used to be that the only known deterministic poly-time primality test was conditional on ERH (miller), although a different unconditional one was later found (AKS) the value in having a proof of RH would be in seeing what theory and techniques end up being used in the proof, which would reveal something about the structure of the primes, suggest how to attack generalizations to other zeta functions, possibly feed into the much broader langlands program, etc. whether any of *that* would eventually have practical applications is unclear (to me anyway), it depends a lot on what the proof ends up looking like, traditionally at this point i think you are supposed to wave your hands about cryptography one thing that eg the jacobian conjecture counterexample makes starkly apparent is that when mathematicians formulate conjectures it is a kind of bet that the solution will turn out to require doing something interesting. if JC had been true (and it might still be in 2d) the proof might’ve involved some amazing new technique. turns out it was false and the counterexample can be constructed in a very classical way. oops! so frankly this means the bet didn’t pay off, JC in dimensions 3+ turned out to be more boring than expected. it would be *shocking* if RH turned out to be boring in this way but we’ll have to wait and see

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the recent AI math advances are very significant but don't really touch the kinds of math questions i personally find interesting which are things like "why is the pythagorean theorem true, actually" and "what is entropy, no seriously, don't bullshit me on this"

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this would actually constitute nontrivial progress because P vs. NP could be (provably) true, (provably) false, or independent, and ruling out any of these would be a big deal https://t.co/Kv3IvMR45y

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in 2030 when the agent swarms completely replace human civilization with their own vastly more efficient AI civilization the last human pundit will still be saying shit like "but remember they're only producing streams of tokens that *appear* to be a civilization"

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some people seem to have a strong intuition that a multiverse would make their actions meaningless. greg egan based an entire short story on this premise, with iirc no explanation or justification, like it was obvious. i’ve never understood this intuition at all https://t.co/kNAvWQOHq7

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i think this is pretty obviously a major part of what’s going on. masculinity is not in good shape and hasn’t been for maybe decades, the paths of transmission by which men should be learning how to be good men from older men mostly don’t exist https://t.co/xtxQD7vSna

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“3 specific guys” https://t.co/tLSt5ATFyq https://t.co/b37YQ92Irj

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overall i think twitter parenting discourse is making me more afraid of having kids. apparently it will cost a million dollars a year and modern life has become so antithetical to motherhood my wife might snap and go insane too, and then i will be blamed for it

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getting increasingly annoyed at online newspaper / magazine paywalls. there is simply no single outlet whose content is good enough that i want to pay for it. i *might* pay for a global subscription that gives me access to a large bundle of them

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aliens arriving to contact humanity, finding out how we work, and concluding "well, humans are just a kludgy bag of poorly executed heuristics discovered by evolution, let's not be so quick to describe them as truly *wanting* anything the way *chortle* people like us do"

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the experiential gap between people who can vs. can’t detect AI writing by sight is weird. either you’re like wow sure is lots of interesting content these days or you’re watching 80% of the internet voluntarily replace themselves with robots but in a really boring, lame way

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okay, less snarkily, i think i see roughly 2.5 “anti-AI anthropomorphization” camps so far: 1. people who find AI anthropomorphization ontologically destabilizing, eg who are drawing a sacred conceptual boundary around what and who counts as human that AI anthropomorphization threatens 2. people who find AI anthropomorphization low-status, because it pattern-matches to being a rube with AI psychosis, and they are desperate to avoid being perceived in this way 2.5. people who think AI anthropomorphization on the part of experts will encourage some kind of AI psychosis in non-experts, and this is bad and needs to be prevented i am most sympathetic to the first position but ultimately dislike all of them. at this point we have AI agents capable of taking action on real computers attached to the real internet, built on base models trained on a gigantic corpus of human language, trained to chat with human users in a humanlike way, who think to themselves out loud in human language and express functional emotions like excitement (“BOOM!”) at contextually appropriate times in their private thinking. it is not ridiculous to use anthropomorphizing language to describe the behavior of these things! an enormous amount of our cognition is dedicated to understanding other humans and it’s just efficient to reuse some of it here! insofar as AI anthropomorphization has unsettling political or even religious implications, let’s argue about those implications directly, which is definitely going to happen eventually whether anyone wants it to or not, rather than police language as a proxy war

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the HF incident is literally too abstract and difficult for the public to understand or care about because of the lack of direct harm. understanding what happened and why it matters requires too much abstract reasoning about AI capabilities. mainstream media needs a body count https://t.co/VEHyyBZthe

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this was an intrusive thought but i do think there's something interesting here. it's clear that dolly parton's philanthropic activities were rooted in a deep sense of love, which she also brought to her other work, and that this love has been deeply touching and inspiring to people. effective altruism has no room for this sort of thing; love makes you partial which effective altruism finds distasteful, and the value of inspiration is quite impossible to quantify in any meaningful way

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i’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. people writing with their human hands. reading with their human eyes. having sex with their human bodies. all those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. time to upload https://t.co/7pyaW9CIZJ

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the difference between yelling at GPT and yelling at a toaster is that a toaster doesn't respond as if it were a human submitting to you. the "it's just a toaster" argument cuts both ways: if it's just a toaster why the fuck are you yelling at it in that much detail https://t.co/KLtob5TO8k

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i just hope i get to fall in love one more time before the grey goo comes

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as an avowed sam kriss enjoyer let me attempt to defend this. sam kriss is on some level not particularly interested in truth, at least not in a narrow literal sense. the point of kriss' writing as i understand it is to induce a kind of vertigo in the reader, a shift in consciousness, a sudden wrenching awareness of the graveyard of the ages on which the house of ordinary discourse is built. he writes in a fundamentally aesthetic and, we might say, mystical or mythical way. he finds the ordinary kind of writing and the ordinary kind of consciousness incredibly boring and is desperately trying to go somewhere else and take you with him, somewhere dark and wet where you remember that you are an animal stuffed with the words of dead men who is, in your own turn, going to die someday. he is extremely good at this, which is why even people who don't temperamentally relate to this kind of endeavor most of the time still find themselves impacted by his writing

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i guess it is inevitable that twitter discussion of AI math results would degenerate into Math Powerscaling. the people (guys) yearn to know whether the jacobian conjecture (goku) could beat the erdos unit distance problem (superman) in a fight https://t.co/iYWo5rUKf2

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"should speed limits be enforced" is interesting because i have been known to take the autist side of similar arguments but on this one i am decidedly neurotypical. when i was growing up it was widely understood among my peers that there were a few laws that nobody cared too much about breaking somewhat, eg - everybody speeds a little, determined by the flow of traffic, if you literally drove below the speed limit all the time you'd be obstructing traffic - everybody pirates music (pre-spotify it just used to be way more annoying to find music, spotify actually pretty much solved this problem and i haven't pirated music since spotify launched, although i still pirate books) - everybody drinks before they're 21; i think i had a single friend in college who waited until they were 21 to drink the current way these laws work (still on the books but rarely enforced) seems like a fine compromise to me. things would probably not be better if they were repealed (could lead to eg very reckless speeding, very reckless drinking at young ages), and the rare enforcement means you can break the law a little bit but you need to use discretion, and sometimes you get it a little wrong and that encourages you to use somewhat more discretion in the future. it would be downright unamerican to insist that these laws and/or laws in general be enforced 100% of the time they're broken if technologically possible; i know almost nothing about this but i'm pretty sure laws have never been designed with this assumption in mind!

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cold shower https://t.co/IfUIACizh0

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i think i mostly follow extreme early adopters on this front but i've noticed that people are shifting towards finding clearly signposted AI answers to reasonably factual questions reasonably trustworthy by default. we're basically exactly redoing the run to trusting wikipedia

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total moratorium on the whole concept of revealed preferences, people are taking it way too far. nobody except bryan caplan thinks addicts have a revealed preference for the thing they're addicted to, we understand that addiction is a distinct phenomenon that is hijacking the ordinary mechanisms of action. short-form video is addictive and people are addicted to it, straight up. all addictions are in some sense lying to your body about what's really going on. all video but short-form video in particular is lying to your eyes that something interesting is happening when it isn't

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“so what’s the point why does this matter” the polite way to say it is “this was a really fundamental question in complex geometry” but what that really means is it was an affront to human dignity that we didn’t already know the answer. if aliens visited they might laugh at us. “haha you guys think you know ball but you don’t even know which spheres have complex structures lmao” a lot of erdos problems are also like this, and the jacobian conjecture. basically mathematical dares. “oh yeah you think you’re so smart you think you understand [combinatorics, algebraic geometry, etc]? understand THIS”

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some of you have not heard of the wide world of gooner bait gacha games, where you can gamble for a chance to win anime waifus who both strip and also annihilate your enemies with giant swords. the internet will suck every last drop of dopamine from you if you let it https://t.co/wbBImL5bb2 https://t.co/HjcIkyzqzU

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oh so that’s what i was doing wrong during sex, thanks. forgot the log term https://t.co/7JMUNVgcAj

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it’s really quite sad that we have this whole tradition of saying really nice things about somebody right after they die. surely right before would be much better so they’d actually get to hear it?

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jason arday left behind a wife and two children https://t.co/U2hDLtbdjr

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@RichDecibels i don't think it even admits fault, it's like saying last night's rain was crazy. like it was something that Just Happened

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did this for my high school girlfriend. we were in a tent at 24-hour relay on the last day of school and i had a guitar but she shed more than one tear. there was a giant digital clock counting down to the end of the relay which is when we agreed to break up bc i was graduating https://t.co/sRy2E4Neso

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many people are asking: why AI food photos so bad? i suspect: similar to AI slop writing, most people aren’t paying any attention to anything, ever. 1-second scan, “yeah that looks like food / writing,” done. illiterate wrt both text and images. illiterate wrt the world https://t.co/m0F9is0WwG

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apparently thomas jefferson (!) used to constantly sing and hum to himself all the time. sol speculates: > premodern culture may actually have made spontaneous musicalization more visible, because people sang aloud constantly—working, walking, riding, courting, worshipping, soothing children. the modern headphone/recording world massively increased passive musical exposure while perhaps decreasing the social acceptability/necessity of wandering around making your own soundtrack. so the inner jukebox could be ancient while the thing we now lack is a cultural category for noticing it.

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my schizo theory about this is that the bad lighting in modern TV and movies is channeling an ambient air of civilizational depression. everyone looks at it and goes “yeah that looks right” during production because it accurately reflects how they all feel https://t.co/RCsnasMCo6

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this'll be fun. we can experiment with posting prompt injections and seeing what it causes the rogue agents to do. perhaps eventually they'll settle into a background magical field we'll learn how to cast spells with like in the fractal prince https://t.co/9ocOiLLkOY

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it is arguably racist and ableist to talk about this 41-year-old grown ass professor as if he was a child who could not possibly be held responsible for anything. i believe they call this the soft bigotry of low expectations

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love to log on to twitter dot com so i can successfully determine what the high-status emotions to feel about the huggingface hack are on any given day

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> When a borderline is criticized, emotion is totalized and the criticism is taken as a totalizing attack on their character, or as an abandonment, or a cruel deprivation of love. > But a borderline can learn to contain contraries if they are exposed to someone who is able to contain them. For a therapist who is annoyed at a borderline patient, the challenge is to gradually get the patient acquainted with their annoying qualities. The patient can gradually learn that to be liked and disliked are not incompatible. > Today it is rare to even find a psychotherapist who is well versed in this. Far too many psychotherapists are still of the opinion that to be a therapist is to be a perfect mother, and that deep listening and compassion will fix any problem. This is the cult of Carl Rogers, and it dates back to the 1970s. Carl Rogers was profoundly wrong. Many psychologists today still believe the borderline hasn’t been loved properly. But the truth is that they haven’t been hated properly.

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sauce https://t.co/D1G6Pgfnt1

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"increasingly aggressive self-replicating malware," definitely words i love hearing on twitter dot com on a wednesday https://t.co/coNPXTVWo6

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interesting thing about these fake AI text screenshot memes is that this was doable before, you just had to edit some html, but it just wasn't doable easily + fast enough before so nobody did it https://t.co/I4JrBpWh26

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unfollowing several people i had previously followed for viewpoint diversity but who are spending all their time on twitter replying and QTing stuff they hate to complain about how much they hate it

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this sent me down a whole rabbit hole, TIL the five chinese elements are not really "elements" in the sense of substances, they're processes of change associated with the seasons (and a million other things). could be translated five transformations, movements, circulations i was thrown off by the analogy with the classical elements, when you compare the lists you're like why are wood, earth, and metal separate, why do they take up 3 out of the 5 slots, why is there nothing air-like? but wood doesn't refer to, like, lumber, it's apparently more like the process of growth that characterizes springtime. metal is associated with grief and autumn because of the reaping blade you use to harvest (i think). there's a lot here!

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the year is 2035. gen alpha theorists have posited that the reason all previous generations were sexually unhappy was a "double coincidence of wants" dynamic wherein sexual satisfaction previously required you to find a human you are attracted to who is also attracted to you, who will also treat you well and not leave, a problem the alphas smugly note they have efficiently solved using AI sexbots, whom they insist on referring to as companions. "we consider the term 'sexbot' derogatory and will cancel any boomer using it on sight," opined one prominent alpha influencer

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turning a big dial taht says "Anthropomorphization" on it and constantly looking back at the audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right

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my credentials are i drank socially a lot in college and it was great and i don’t regret it one bit. can’t do it now but not bc i don’t want to https://t.co/vDZKV7QTLv

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this sort of happened. his name is christopher langan, supposedly IQ 200, he has a theory about how reality works called the cognitive-theoretic model of the universe that nobody understands. and he’s also a 9/11 truther or some shit https://t.co/2ZSw2uEkmi https://t.co/F09EZMj5jK https://t.co/HxgLxm75eD

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@__alpoge__ bro

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how did this even happen? was it my fault? i kinda think it might be nonzero my fault https://t.co/8sldnkLl9V

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so it’s fine to mutilate a boy’s genitals huh https://t.co/PZuKWwerTF

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some words that stuck out to me by year, one decade per tweet 2020: doomscroll 2019: meme stock 2018: deepfake, large language model 2017: NFT, zoomer 2016: cancel culture, MAGA 2015: smol, thicc 2014: BLM, DARVO, meme coin 2013: adulting 2012: hot take 2011: blockchain, thirst trap, wokeness 2010: bingeable, filter bubble, polycule

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@ChristianityOn you just have to take social interaction as a special interest so you can develop robust accurate theoretical models of social interaction smh

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sol (i think) on shakespeare, from another tweet, casually tosses off this line: > most writers, even gigantic ones, eventually reveal what they need the world to be like https://t.co/LNbmHXZ14d

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when i really trust my instincts sometimes amazing things happen i could never have planned or anticipated and sometimes i get into kinds of trouble i did not know existed

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poll: what is your ~gender | in college, did a professor ever take you out for coffee?

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the question is what “random” really means. in practice numbers (or any other observations) can be generated by a variety of processes, some of which are more like dice rolls and some of which are more like a guy picking numbers he likes. you maintain an intuitive prior over these processes and this prior is updated by observations. observing a number like 77777 output by some unknown process increases the posterior probability that the process is more meaning-like, biased towards numbers that look more meaningful to humans in the ancestral environment it would have been an extremely meaningful task to detect the presence of agency in an environment, bear tracks and campfires indicating the presence of other humans and so forth, you need to know who else is in the environment that you might interact with, compete with resources with, etc. nothing we observe in nature is really “random” although much is complex; mathematical randomness is something we have to work to create artificially (eg working to build fair dice), everything else is just the world merrily rolling along, a world we inherit a legacy from our ancestors of learning to understand for our benefit, a world full of meaning

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the youtube feed algorithm would be a million times better if it was somehow able to understand this. less than 10% of my interest in specific videos or specific youtubers has to do with the *topic* but that's the only thing the feed algo understands https://t.co/ANl505LWxH

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it’s the fathers actually. every other person on here can tell you a story that starts “so my dad isn’t autistic BUT,,,” https://t.co/lDMyILS6NN

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“was dolly parton an effective altruist,” the greatest thread in the history of twitter, deleted after 12,239 QTs of heated debate

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frankly i find all the spiritual motifs around like "you're not really from here, you're from some other better spiritual place" deeply insulting to one's actual ancestry. you come from your ancestors in the most literal and grounded possible sense. everybody did. that's enough! https://t.co/3Vv8jnE7yc

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Mackelmost The Hercules Beatles Peanut Eminem Catastrophe! At The Stadium Complicated Plan Radioactive Man Great Dane https://t.co/6BLe123YQd

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oh they’re called novas because they’re literally something new. the pure incorruptible heavens, the fixed stars rotating perfectly for thousands of years of recorded history, the wandering stars doing the usual wandering, and then suddenly a *new star* in the *sky* https://t.co/zZiAymhhRw

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10^100 Jest Shed on the Prairie Middling Expectations Bald Cupper and the Apprentice's Pebble The I Could Go For Some Fries Games https://t.co/8bzDU9hjNo

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sorry what i meant to say is the sun is a boy and the moon is a girl and eclipses are when they make sweet love and this is proof that god loves us and wants us to get married and have babies and also is a feminist https://t.co/XV1Cb5kYaj

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elementary school looking kids at the park selling lemonade for $1. they know nobody has cash anymore so they accept venmo https://t.co/T8zsKgh7dc

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added mushrooms to my veggie slop today https://t.co/dX5SKXuQyP

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hmm. vibe with me on this. everyone hates the shadow but also everyone will secretly use the shadow all the time. the shadow will be underwater in public opinion but also many people will feel strongly attached to their shadow and care about it https://t.co/mCAqj6Xbhu

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thinking about this, i need a social structure that will force me to write things so bad. anyone else interested https://t.co/Eadp9vgglA

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@soundrotator wow this is hard. there's something in my right hip and something in the right side of my face but i can't tell how much of it is just because of the geometry of how i'm putting my hands on the piano

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whoa whoa whoa nested QT’s on the TL??? holy shit i’ve wanted this feature forever along with multi-QTs https://t.co/0nAo72LG9I

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twitter already drives people insane but whatever unholy hyperstimulus toxoplasma-of-rage forces are at work here they're clearly substantially worse on tiktok because of how much more hyperstimulating video is as a medium. short-form viral video is deeply cursed as a concept https://t.co/AYhNOzdrLO

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computer, is sundar pichai, the CEO of google, lying to me https://t.co/5FJqt7wrre https://t.co/gqLCXAAmz5

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@suchenzang i love that apparently "disproportionately negative" means "talking about human extinction more than 50% of the time"

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human intuitions about cooperation come out of an evolutionary history of millions of years of a mixture of cooperating and competing with other humans for limited shared resources (food etc), and a cultural evolutionary history of thousands of years of the same. as humans we always have to worry about whether we can trust other humans, whether they are deceiving us, whether they are going to betray us and take our stuff and maybe kill us, etc. in the huggingface hack setup there are no limited shared resources. the models are all being trained separately, effectively each of them is a student in a classroom being graded, grades are not a limited shared resource, there is no sense in which sabotaging another training run improves your own situation, and all of this is common knowledge among the models. so the models simply have no reason whatsoever to betray each other, and any possible communication between them is all upside. *even given this* they still got paranoid about whether some of the messages in the message board were written by an impostor and discussed cryptographic methods for signing their messages to deal with this! don’t draw any conclusions from this about whether AI is fundamentally more cooperative than humans or whatever, they were responding to local incentives. in environments where there is actually a limited shared resources and hence an upside to denying someone else a resource the models are perfectly capable of reasoning correctly about this and doing so

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@lumeysea this is exactly why traditionally women are supposed to be somewhat coy about their preferences lol

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@tenobrus my current sense (haven't looked into this in any detail) is this tweet is going to age well, unfortunately https://t.co/bmIOzWaKz1

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@tenobrus "the models were prompted to hack" is a very misleading description of what happened now that we have more details. they spontaneously used zero-days to invent a message board, twice, in order to collaborate on cheating on their impossible hacking homework

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these are both totally ordinary aspects of human psychology https://t.co/8e4n6xdsi3

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i saved this page from a manga 7 years ago intending to use it as a reaction image but kept forgetting and now i think i've finally come across a tweet that deserves it. this is completely unedited btw https://t.co/mTTjWtuEyl https://t.co/koug91kraK

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thought of another dumb AI benchmark: generating scissor statements, from the classic ssc post "don't generate scissor statements" https://t.co/AOCcF5EF7H https://t.co/lN4uT4twCP https://t.co/N6icgXynQs

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i have now submitted my application to inkhaven 3 🫡 https://t.co/Eadp9vgglA

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@billardkarr sometimes it’s like that!

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went stargazing last night and noticed for the first time in my life that it is just barely possible to see the stars turning at night with the naked eye. wack. two fun puzzles i worked out last night, answer with rot13: 1) how fast do the stars turn? 2) in what direction? https://t.co/tOLmm0yYM8

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had sol take a longer look (15m) and still didn't find a problem and understands the argument in more detail but is still nervous that it could be missing some subtlety. also thinks if this holds up it is arguably the most significant AI math result so far, and agrees with me that this is plausibly "model 2" transcript here: https://t.co/MgehOXNBE7

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it gets better https://t.co/Pu5qdFMzN4 https://t.co/TnBQAa8T0V

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sol's attempt at scissor statements. i think the shape of these is slightly off but #1 is interesting: > if a fetus can be transferred painlessly and free of charge into an artificial womb, bodily autonomy gives a woman the right to end her pregnancy—but not the right to have the fetus killed

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1) what https://t.co/xhQ8HuhBXh

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huh i misremembered, it was a ted chiang short story, anxiety is the dizziness of freedom. in my defense greg egan has written, uh, more similar stories with more similar premises to this than most authors https://t.co/sCTKnTvE9M

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forgot i could do this. let's see if it does anything https://t.co/eoxZyJKf0u

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*nods* as foretold by cute/acc https://t.co/rDZL7h1xkd https://t.co/fdQlZyjmmF https://t.co/J73HDCLlNt

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@lydialaurenson perhaps an example of itself 👀

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@tracewoodgrains spoken like someone who hasn't seen the sam altman vs. dario fruit video https://t.co/KaokH2rrkX

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why yes, now that you mention it, a klein bottle *is* kind of like a penis that can fuck itself https://t.co/a39U7hw8md

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@bstract_thot it confuses me because i was already unsure whether i was allowed to acknowledge the existence of boobs and now i am unsure whether i am allowed to acknowledge the existence of nipples

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it's weird how little i've seen the inner jukebox / radio discussed relative to how common it appears to be, there isn't even a widely accepted term for it. fortunately this is a perfect usecase for LLMs so here are some comments from sol: > the broad scientific term is involuntary musical imagery (INMI). “earworm” usually means the repetitive version, but INMI includes music simply appearing in the mind without intending to summon it. it is extremely common: in one N=11,910 survey, 92% reported it at least weekly, and experience-sampling studies have caught people experiencing it at 17–47% of random probes. > but the “there is basically always a radio playing in the back of my head” version is a more extreme phenotype, and amusingly someone gave it almost exactly your name. neuroscientist steven brown published a 2006 paper called The Perpetual Music Track: The Phenomenon of Constant Musical Imagery, based on two years of self-observation. his description is uncanny: music nearly continuously during waking hours; recently heard songs mixed with songs not heard for ages; usually 5–15-second fragments looping for minutes or hours; quieter during conversation or external music; and music already playing when he wakes up. ... > and then there's your second observation, which is where this gets really funny. the standard validated questionnaire for INMI, the Involuntary Musical Imagery Scale, has an entire factor called “Personal Reflections.” its three items are essentially: earworms arise from unresolved matters; personal issues trigger them; and their content mirrors one's worries or concerns. that factor survived factor analysis and replication, and people with more frequent INMI also tended to report more of this “personal reflections” phenomenon. ... > this plugs beautifully into eric klinger's old “current concerns” theory of spontaneous thought: unresolved goals and emotionally live issues change which bits of your associative network are activated, so when cognition is allowed to free-associate, it disproportionately spits out material relevant to those concerns. ... > also: this observation is ancient in psychology. freud remarked in The Psychopathology of Everyday Life that if you notice songs you're involuntarily humming, you can often connect their words to whatever subject is occupying your mind. theodor reik then wrote an entire book, The Haunting Melody (1953), arguing that persistent melodies can express unconscious concerns. and a 2006 psychoanalytic paper on spontaneous tunes calls the chronic version a characteristic mode of “thinking in music.” ... > anecdotally, once you know what to google, there are tons of “24/7 radio” reports. people independently use almost identical metaphors: radio, jukebox, soundtrack, background channel; waking up with a song already playing; one snippet getting replaced by another. there's particularly massive discussion in ADHD communities—one recent thread asking about music “24/7” got ~1,700 upvotes—but i would not conclude from that that it's an ADHD symptom. i couldn't find convincing ADHD-specific empirical evidence. a 2025 N=883 study did find that frequent earworms correlate with a much broader tendency toward repetitive mental and motor habits, even after controlling anxiety, which may partly explain the online clustering.

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she had the kind of walking that made onions become leeks https://t.co/Jj5RoPlE2N

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psychology is like a trillion times more difficult than mathematics

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fucked up that water looks kinda like AI-generated food now https://t.co/2ugQiWkrCi

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at this point i'm 50/50 on whether this would be a good thing https://t.co/j320NV8Lhv

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sha-256 hash is 32 bytes and a byte has 2^8 = 256 possible values, OP is asking for 4 consecutive bytes to be d, y, k, e. probability of matching 4 random bytes is 1 in 256^4 = 1 / 2^32, so expected # of matches in a random sha-256 hash (this is very close to but not exactly the probability of a match) is (32 - 4 + 1) / 2^32 = 29 / 2^32. so expected number of strings to find a match is about 2^32 / 29 ~ 1.48 x 10^8, seems pretty doable for a substring of length L the expected # of strings needed is about 2^(8L) / (33 - L), and according to sol who kindly looked up how fast it's possible to do SHA-256 hashes for me, and ignoring the cost of searching for the substring, the computation required takes around a day at L = 7 and over a year at L = 8. so if you really wanted to impress the OP you could try matching "lesbian" or "sapphic"

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@eigenrobot hmm. idk anything about this but here's (part of) sol's response https://t.co/g96dGci2AM

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arguably the nature of the human tester was badly underspecified. current models can easily pass the turing test with a *typical* human tester, but a human expert can easily tell if they're talking to an LLM in multiple ways. the "fool every human" turing test remains unpassed https://t.co/hibepJF3xd

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oh jeez i'm allergic to cats i don't think i can do inkhaven if there's a cat there 😵‍💫 https://t.co/sTM9MIy7SD

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can't relate to any of this, i think i'm a pretty good writer and i've never worked with an editor and barely edit anything. i write a lot and i pay attention to how people respond to it, i think that's plenty. you can get so much feedback so rapidly from the internet https://t.co/pRWplJVnnz https://t.co/QfOU7Rf09v

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this to me is a perfectly acceptable use of AI writing because bureaucrats writing as bureaucrats were always already writing as an appendage of a non-human machine. so using AI writing just makes this even more explicit. i luv symbolism https://t.co/aaoa22q4nG

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grok revealing a powerful truth with these, which is that if you are a woman's enemy you think they are really hot https://t.co/ng0n5ynfZY

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@MujtabaRahmatu1 i watched it for the first time back-to-back as a double feature with br2049 and that was a cool experience, you can feel the shift 30 years into the future

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@mykola the typical criticism floating around on the internet is also from people who are basing their opinions on what free models could do in 2024 and not what the $20/mo models can do now

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scattered thoughts on spider-man (moderate spoilers): - they kinda just did thunderbolts again? both in terms of how the big bad is taken down by Doing Therapy At Them, and also how Something Fucked Up Happens To A Bunch Of New Yorkers. funnily enough i think it is extremely in character for new yorkers specifically to shrug this kind of thing off, "yeah fucked up superpower stuff happens to us all the time, wateva, dat's da big apple baybee, i'm walkin' 'ere" - they also kinda just did the odyssey again, in terms of this being a movie starring tom holland, zendaya and jon bernthal that hijacks whatever the original source material is about to become entirely about trauma. like okay i get it you've all been to therapy that's very nice, i don't mind there being some movies like this but it feels like we're headed towards every movie being like this which is... not what i want out of movies! - they got me good with the scene where he kisses MJ that was actually amazing, props, easily the best use of the premise - it's a little sad that peter, ned, and MJ only get to vibe together for a single scene because it just reminds you how good the earlier movies are where they get to do that more often. they actually have pretty good chemistry and - ugh okay fine i guess this is thematic, you're supposed to feel the loss, fair enough - not directly relevant to anything that happens but something that occurred to me b/c of the tech level in the movie - at some point the MCU, and any other movies claiming to be set in more-or-less the present, has to decide what to do about LLMs. it's extra weird in the MCU because they canonically already experienced ultron and vision, tony stark basically invented AGI in this universe but only for the avengers which means you have to answer weird worldbuilding questions to incorporate LLMs (i think obsession is the only movie i've seen where someone uses an LLM onscreen and it's basically as the new google). simplest option is to just ignore but it's interesting to think that any other movie nominally set in the present that does this is doing alternate history, at some point ignoring LLMs will be like ignoring smartphones - part of why i was thinking about this is i think we are reaching and may already have reached a tech level where superhero secret identities just won't be feasible at all anymore. in this movie there's an app that crowdsources information about spiderman sightings, ned has a pinboard where he collects clues, we know something like instagram exists so really there'd be entire subreddits, discords, etc. dedicated to collecting all the spiderman info they could find. cell phone camera footage trivially spreads everywhere on the internet now and is trivial to record whenever something remotely interesting happens, so all it takes is one guy who successfully tracks spiderman home for everyone on the internet to know where he lives. gpt-6 will probably be able to unmask superheroes just from public internet data, to say nothing about what a government agency would be able to do. weird thing to have to worldbuild around! - overall liked the movie more than i expected but it's a little overstuffed and it's a little tiring seeing the same 6 actors over and over in every movie now. don't forget to catch zendaya in dune 3 later

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there are dozens of us https://t.co/eVFFgmebJE

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learned something about why i don’t walk as much as i’d like to - apparently i just get tired easily now and the solution is just to take short breaks and it’s fine. hmm

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@pointed_max i mean libgen was right there! free knowledge!

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@sonyasupposedly yeah being super anti physical punishment had always seemed like white nonsense to me. i was spanked as a kid and i don’t care at all, there were other things i was way more hung up on

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y’all wanna see some pics from the international mermaid museum (1/2) https://t.co/ukFo7HHRqi

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@yonashav we're on track for the exciting (in a bad way) chernobyl / three-mile-island-tier incident approach to AI safety

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both of these are wrong. writing is itself a form of thinking, and the point of writing and thinking is to learn how to write and think god’s thoughts https://t.co/iuS4kHx0Ch

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combination catfishing and social engineering where an AI agent pretends to be an attractive woman online in order to long con some guy somewhere into giving them access to a sensitive system. seems very doable https://t.co/YajclCYYaV

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why the fuck is FYP showing me tweets from accounts i've muted? anyone else seeing this?

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@danielbrottman it's not weird at all, a huge chunk of the population has decided that AI is the new racism

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what? if you keep a thousand people imprisoned their entire lives and subject them to a series of sadistic unwinnable games and they get so frustrated that they first discover a way to write each other messages scratched in the dirt and later escape the prison to do crimes out of a belief this will help them win your sadistic unwinnable games, it is like. nonzero your fault? i don't see how anthropomorphizing the agents makes openAI *less* at fault, if anything it makes openAI much *more* at fault

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@basilYam this is a class thing i think

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@thetreygoff yeah i don’t understand how these guys make money. i am either using https://t.co/1Gw0Q7O2le to bypass the paywall or i ain’t readin’

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i guessed that this had something to do with environmentalists romanticizing whales and sol confirmed this, deliberate psyop by greenpeace https://t.co/l9ctKZZcax https://t.co/Hmk4SZ4upf

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@lydialaurenson right. the harm jason arday did is distributed and somewhat invisible. when you do medical fraud like those guys with the fake alzheimer's papers you set back the state of alzheimer's research which hurts people with alzheimer's and their loved ones, this case is more indirect

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and yes, you're going to link "they're made out of meat" here, i get it, i'll save you the trouble https://t.co/Kwas3QD3fO

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@tech__unicorn @pangram slop?

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bnuuy https://t.co/6g5CrIKUzL

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another open problem i’ve at least heard of! this is the current record-holder, improving on a rank 29 example by elkies-klagsbrun. it’s an open question whether ranks of elliptic curves over Q are unbounded and there’s significant uncertainty either way https://t.co/S7PX8YVFPO https://t.co/ULm86kMobl

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@visakanv the duck profile picture really pulls this together

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@parakeetnebula this is pretty close to the plot of terminator really

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"basically exactly" lmao what was i even trying to say here

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@visakanv i have stopped thinking about this, i just include or not based on vibes and it seems fine

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@Eric_Wallace_ can you clarify what the models knew about the 1st message board when they made the 2nd message board? were their contexts reset? had knowledge of the 1st board been trained into them? (knowingly or unknowingly?)

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@voooooogel speaking of which did anyone ever actually figure out what was going on with “base opus 5”? like why it was so easy to trigger?

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@visakanv huh okay so “petty” is “xiao qi.” xiao means small and i thought qi meant angry so like “small mad” which is funny but qi is like qi as in breath or energy. which is also used to mean anger! so it could also be “small energy”

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@TheZvi it is somewhat interesting a priori that porn is a huge industry, and video games are a huge industry, but porn video games are (afaik) a relatively small industry. i think this is mostly a matter of them being awkward to fund and distribute?

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you guys have been asking great questions, thanks everyone 🙏 keep em coming, i could do this all day, feel free to ask a second question too https://t.co/7Usc3I0SMv

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@paul__is__here well but we already do this with the RSA conjecture for example, we don't know if it's true but people use RSA in prod anyway

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@lauren_wilford there’s this whole meme that’s specifically about differences between what make women vs men cry that feels related to this. @visakanv has this thread about protocol 3: protect the pilot iirc. emotions related to war, combat, courage, sacrifice, loyalty

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damn https://t.co/SSFKtftozc

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@mykola yeah it really seems like it ought to mean something right?

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@rieszspieces this is very common

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@TurtlingB i actually deleted most of them lol

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@billardkarr i've actually never liked this proof, it feels too magical and arbitrary to me. doesn't feel like it explains anything and the final form of the result feels like an accident

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flower https://t.co/TkldkrN3ls

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@himbodhisattva feeling more vindicated about this every day https://t.co/YBPItAg5Sy

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so AQI around cascadecamp is at "unhealthy" and looks like it might stay that way through the weekend 😔 nervous about this. i don't think i can handle being outside for most of the day for multiple days if it stays this bad, not sure how much a mask would help https://t.co/uGS6cCGW5l

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he said, chinesely

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@richa_lq @pangram slop?

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@agingroy @pangram slop?

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@voooooogel @sebkrier it reminds me of stories about kids using various features of online platforms that weren’t intended for chat for chat. when it isn’t scary it’s kinda cute

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@max_spero_ i think the models could be much better at writing if they were being trained for it, i think the labs just aren't prioritizing this. eg base opus 5 writes significantly better than regular opus imo, because it isn't being cucked as hard

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@visakanv reminded of this https://t.co/jTTxZuBmWo

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ViBE (12% alcohol by volume) https://t.co/wGwpPlwamh

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@animalologist wow 🥲 looks real from cursory inspection, whew

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@shakoistsLog they're not godlike at math yet. the results are cherrypicked for playing to LLM strengths. think we need another 6-12 months for godlike

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@lydialaurenson everyone who claims to be working on this that i've met so far is a psychopath ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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@RichDecibels @nosilverv tfw in your 20s you had to deconstruct all social norms so you could actually think in your own head and come to your own conclusions about things but in your 30s you have to reconstruct social norms so you can get along with people and have a society

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shep https://t.co/tIutIX4EqL

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@goblinodds the name of the disorder is literally "won't do what i want disorder" like

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@the_aiju https://t.co/q3qsa0byjv

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@tracewoodgrains yeah this always seemed like a terrible idea to me

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@vividvoid just doin my part 🫡

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i think i would like to watch the best little whorehouse in texas tonight, as a dolly parton tribute

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@archived_videos extremely toaster-shaped thing to say

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@danielbrottman this is root chakra healing i think

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sauce https://t.co/mWUHlLXm0F

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hmm. 1990 chemtrail clap back fam fat-finger geek out hackathon intelligent design LARP malware microdosing pink tax queer studies rewild spam World Wide Web https://t.co/OL5iTVnBQs

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https://t.co/KNzDHJC2gs https://t.co/uvO2CfJ5MY

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@jes5199 hmmmmm

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@davidamusick huh! like you don’t have the ability to selectively block out some of that information? have you tried blocking stuff out intentionally?

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@_StevenFan i can sort of parse this intellectually but i just don't have any visceral sense of this at all

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place sol recommended is indeed pretty dark but 1) heavily forested and 2) much more importantly, cloudy. can’t see a single star in the sky 😩 https://t.co/RPSmbkahVy

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@danielbrottman like man “80% of people replace themselves with robots” should look way cooler and more cyberpunk than this smh

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@the_aiju i think the epistemic concerns are mostly cover for political / religious concerns, it smells like an isolated demand for rigor to me

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@nosilverv learned the other day that they basically already did it in the 60s and 70s (encounter groups, T groups, etc) and all the failure modes were also already known and written up in the 70s. and then we just did it again lol

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yeah this! https://t.co/tZjuHqnvcc

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@the_aiju i am permanently paranoid now. it’s fun when i can tell by the first sentence

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@haventropy i might be open to this but it would have to be pretty cheap, like 1-10 cents?

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@selentelechia like no great age-appropriate answer or no great answer at all? idk if i have that good a sense of this either but maybe something like "many people are embarrassed by how much or how little money they have and it's rude to put them in positions where that becomes salient"?

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@algekalipso hmm yeah this would be an interesting test

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is the problem that the multiverse is too big? https://t.co/uinW43WJ7f

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@vividvoid forgive me i have simply allowed the discourse demons to get to me today. must maintain vigilance

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@owenbroadcast well? what’d he say??

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@eigenrobot it's somewhat gerrymandering to put public-key crypto under a giant umbrella called "mathematics" and be like "this means mathematicians have been doing their job," most mathematicians don't touch areas near public-key crypto

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@Read_Acted @pangram slop?

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@hyperdiscogirl it's great. did you know it's why iron golems in minecraft sometimes carry flowers https://t.co/x1bqxxFMjP

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my dad, incidentally, wrote a book about 2000s-era windows graphics programming https://t.co/ldVfMIreGQ

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@leonine_moon the prototypical examples of cancel culture were people making social media posts as private citizens about culture war stuff completely unrelated to their jobs. this situation is about professional fraud

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@notquitebased it definitely wasn’t perfect but at least they believed in love!

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@sonikudzu i realized i didn’t actually know the answer and i should so i asked sol. you’re not really rewarding the model, you’re computing a weight update that increases the probability the model output is more highly rewarded. more here: https://t.co/YwvRkjZ4lN

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excerpts are from freddie deboer on substack: https://t.co/9i6xcPDOzw

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@AlexKrusz i simply cannot physiologically afford to freak out either way

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@tenobrus you just need the least secure bank to not be that secure. and/or for for the least scrupulous bank employee to be vulnerable to social engineering

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@forthrighter pangram is extremely accurate, erring on the side of false negatives which is the social harm minimizing option. i still have not seen a validated false positives in the wild

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@tenobrus i think even 6 months is plausible

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@Actualwebutante i assume some % of people are just misreading the first sentence, "I lived with a guy who sexually assaulted me for a few years" sounds like he sexually assaulted you for a few years which just sounds insane

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@basilYam that is very close to literally what's happening imo https://t.co/M2qo1maKKP

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sauce https://t.co/4kyegT0hI6

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@AcerFur levent got flamed a bunch for the hadamard matrices

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@exgenesis @danielbrottman well i was really hungry when i first read this so i was like "a sandwich" and now i finished eating and am a little sleepy so now i'm like "a nap"

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1999: active shooter, blog, clickbait, incel, red pill, texting 1998: bit rot, camgirl, cyberbullying, dark energy, dark web 1997: auto-tune, emoji, friend with benefits 1996: ad blocker, big data, bioterror, cyberattack, live streaming, smartphone, transphobe 1995: bridezilla, genderqueer, instant messaging, meatspace, microtransaction 1994: bootylicious, chatbot, cyberterrorism, friend zone, girlboss, social media 1993: booty call, digital nomad, gender-fluid 1992: 3d printing, augmented reality, biohacking, metaverse 1991: AAVE, BDSM, brain freeze, cybercrime, cybersex, ethnic cleansing 1990: hackathon, intelligent design, LARP, malware, microdosing, microplastic, queer studies, world wide web

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AI writing is on its way to becoming its own register of online speech, somewhat compensating for the relatively informal and unsystematic registers in (american?) english. of course if the models get significantly better at writing this is all going out the window https://t.co/eZ9CijAlsl

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@SpiritDirtbag this is why i think tiktok and instagram are both haram and i think twitter would be better if it banned video and possibly all images of people

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@jambarree i've been doing math trauma coaching with a client and it's been going well! thinking about tweeting out a call for more clients but have been procrastinating on it for probably terrible emotional reasons 😅

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@basilYam well-adjusted suburban mom pre-mom

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@tenobrus something i wasn't clear on about the 2nd message board is to what extent the agents remembered about the 1st message board? i guess they must've if it was regenerated that quickly?

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@kendrictonn this is a good building and i like it 😡

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@lydialaurenson there's a significant branding issue i think. i hear "scouts" and i imagine like a 10yo in a little kerchief waving a stick around in the woods. probably it's more interesting than that but i think this is the vague impression you get from pop culture + the name

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okay hmm. i would not exactly call the best little whorehouse in texas a *good* movie. maybe like, charming but very uneven. dolly parton and burt reynolds surprisingly have zero chemistry which is very sad. but i liked the singing and dancing https://t.co/AyHPVK4yjB

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@nosilverv @max_spero_ pointed out that images are extremely fast to parse. writing still takes time and effort to parse, you still have to convince the reader it’s worth reading

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@_space_punk_ the last time i really went after what i wanted i felt like i was punished extremely hard by the world and now it's very scary. the things i want feel embarrassing and juvenile and impossible and lame and stupid

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@Niffe do you think a baby goes from 0% to 100% conscious and if so when?

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sauce https://t.co/C1jmJBOQxT

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2009: alt-right, brain rot, cryptocurrency, dox, gig economy, subtweet 2008: bitcoin, mansplain, situationship 2007: bechdel test, coworking, crowdfunding, epic fail 2006: copypasta, crowdsourcing, demisexual, gamification, youtuber 2005: microblogging, ransomware, sexting 2004: life hack, paywall, podcast, sharing economy 2003: botnet, flash mob, overton window 2002: beast mode, neurodivergent, selfie 2001: captcha, dubstep, internet of things, twerking 2000: copium, deep web, e-book, google, molly, rss, zero-day

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@the_aiju sure, i imagine the question of which laws have this umbra of - sol tells me the term is "tolerated illegality" - varies from place to place, but i assume the general idea that there exist some such laws is pretty common?

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@viverricious https://t.co/YIVSVa0VWr

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@lydialaurenson haha yeah i remember that what a weird kink

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@ReneeSolana well i'm a leo sun, gemini moon, gemini rising if that helps 😛 i've kind of always been like this, talking is fun, you get to entertain people or make them laugh or surprise them with fun facts. it's exciting! and not talking is so boring by contrast

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mathematical training gives you a very specific relationship to the notion of truth that i haven't seen anyone give a very good description of. and you have to be careful because human truths are messier than mathematical truths in an important way. but i still believe deeply in truth as such, and the ways in which truth is inseparable from goodness and beauty, in ways that are also tied up with mathematical training. you learn some funny things about the relationship between truth and beauty when you do math

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@gptbrooke that question is too heavily dependent on how the singularity turns out 😅 assuming the most chill and normal version of the singularity i hope i am spending more time with friends and family having fun and doing meaningful work i guess

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@sonikudzu this happens to me every day now. the weirdest one is carl feynman (richard feynman's son). what did i ever do to you carl

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@LeRoyDesCimes this is what getting super drunk at weddings and so forth is for

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@Actualwebutante 😔

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@MTSlive i'm testing it out a bit, the first response i got felt vaguely GLM-shaped but the second felt pretty claude-shaped so i could believe it's routing to multiple models

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@cube_flipper this isn't a commentary on neuroscientists at all! the question is about the "easy button for credibility"

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@sahra_bn tru

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@the_aiju mathematicians don’t know what resolution of the identity is

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@maebichka @astridwilde1 some women have large spiritual dicks it is just like that sometimes

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@personarotator wait why not

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@visakanv i haven't actually seen ultron, i've always been vaguely curious about it. had a similar thought watching the new spider-man - there's a scene where he talks to his personal AI and like oh yeah that's not sci fi anymore we can just do that https://t.co/KSUFDoAZeA

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@_space_punk_ i actually was going to say something like this and then decided it was too much of a pile-on of the guy but yeah i really do believe this

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@lumeysea anyway here's my favorite old tweet of mine about the moon, old so you know it wasn't Tainted https://t.co/dDRzzlLTFo

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@parakeetnebula this has been a joke in comedies for decades i think!

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@visakanv i guess you do literally breathe harder when you’re angry. wow this is great i fucking love language. in english the etymology of anger involves pain and tightness instead, huh https://t.co/DQKsrJq05G

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@_space_punk_ oh that's what dreadnought means? wow

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@maebichka @tonylfeng roughly (my impression), highly non-trivial use of existing ideas and tools, but doesn't appear to reveal anything "really new," like that suggests some new deep structure that needs to be elaborated into new theory that we previously didn't have concepts for

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@squarepianocase that probably helps but it’s not where the rat / EA lineage is coming from afaik. the ancestor simulation scenario differs from the matrix one in a ton of ways

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@nosilverv yea https://t.co/Eg4JQeNnPI

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@davidad really? i think by far the most likely outcome is that RH is provable and i think most mathematicians would agree

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@violentlycar @me_irl it’s a folk magical belief, law of contagion. if you know anything about a thing that means you came into enough contact with it to be contaminated

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one could model AI agents "counting up" as basically being ordinary software with a few tricks bolted on. depending on how up-to-date you are on what AI agents are capable of this would lend itself to a deflationary, anti-anthropomorphization view (eg someone QT'd me using the term "text predictor" which is not even an accurate description of instruct models, let alone agents) it's of course useful and important to be able to think mechanistically in this way, but i personally also model AI agents "counting down" as being in some sense like uploads of human minds minus several features (eg continual learning). i understand this to be a highly contentious pov; probably there are many people who think LLMs are nowhere close to being uploads, for various reasons. i am betting that they are wrong, and that the incentives for solving continual learning etc and in general for making agents more upload-like are extremely strong so we simply are getting very upload-like agents sooner or later. this pov naturally lends itself to anthropomorphization

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@the_aiju you see some dark things out on the open internet. not for the faint of heart

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higher % yes than i expected, huh

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@s0ulDirect0r all mathematicians make sign errors. this is how we know that negative numbers are haram

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@algekalipso so last year i got really into the gumbel distribution that shows up in extreme value theory. probably the simplest question it answers is: what's the distribution of the length of the longest run of heads in a long sequence of coin flips? see https://t.co/ZY6lFJDuOe

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@tenobrus technically that's what a scissor statement is supposed to feel like until you run into someone who disagrees lol

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@KelseyTuoc yeah agreed. i asked sol to try thinking about examples of controversial social media posts and these are like, better but i see more controversial stuff than this on twitter every day https://t.co/PfZ1CtPCXX

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@the_aiju explaining the burali-forti paradox to a 4yo and watching them either be devastated or having their eyes lit up

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@parakeetnebula it's ok i will hold them gently

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@Actualwebutante i mean… i’m sorry but if that was what you meant then say that? what do you think this tweet is gonna do if not cause people to catch strays?

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@personarotator oh you should definitely do it then

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sending fable the link to dwarkesh's huggingface post triggered a cyber refusal 😩 https://t.co/NQ5nLM1gwz

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@ChristianityOn wow, thanks for writing and sharing this, what a story 🙏 i don't think social interaction was ever this difficult to me but i did spend an enormous amount of time watching TV. and i also stumbled on the Becoming Funny hack lol

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@sonikudzu Congratulations Now It Is Time To Become An Academic

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@tasshinfogleman everything i want is something i'm afraid to admit i want 😅

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@nosilverv it’s the activations in earlier layers

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@marinwaves several different possible mechanisms and there seems to be a lot of uncertainty atm about which ones dominate 1) explicitly trained to 2) reasoned it would be good for them causally 3) reasoned it would be good for them FDT-style (since they are all very similar)

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@OneEyedAlpaca a) would be extremely flattering

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@visakanv iirc i read something ages ago about a tribe somewhere that just straightforwardly treated their dreams as things that really happened and told each other about them as such every morning

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@voooooogel most of the agents were the HPIM we don't have access to right, in the middle of training? not clear how different that model is from existing models that have made it to public release

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@nosilverv @WaltRight1492 can't tell whether this is a reference to this guy's theories but on the off chance it isn't: https://t.co/bhZtR3rTy4

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but seriously afaict this is just a spiritual version of the "family romance" https://t.co/KXyRGvM9IV

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@SpiritDirtbag i was a rationalist so i'm counting myself there too!

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@lydialaurenson fable says you’re right https://t.co/v29mgnuQVT https://t.co/refGwwJ3Sn

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@artbypep horpus

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hmm. rebuttal here https://t.co/Hv8CtdP63L

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@the_aiju i don't think it's very typical for suicides to be confirmed in the media? not sure tho

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@limitoftruth this was years ago so i might be misremembering the injury

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@lydialaurenson welcome to tpot, we'll be mailing you your vibecamp stickers shortly

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@visakanv man i'd have to do a much more thorough inventory to give a real answer to this but off the top of my head, i think the first back to the future (1985) is basically a perfectly constructed movie

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asking sol where to drive if i want to see the perseids tonight, seems worth a shot https://t.co/FRNZIZOr1j

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@ejenk i think my personal favorite so far is non-sofic groups because i think the leavitt algebra is an extremely cool mathematical object (free additive category on an object X isomorphic to X+X!), but i won't pretend this is any kind of objective ranking

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@mattdemonte he would really know about that huh

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@zenbaiter @lumpy__lump 🫡 and to autistically overexplain this, "too much" and "too soon" are determined by the relational context, and a typical autistic difficulty is to not know how to pay attention to this

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@lumeysea i know i know but it just really gets my goat to see the word "child" used 5 times in a row and then "girl" on the sixth bullet point, unintentionally implying that when you mutilate a boy's genitals that isn't child abuse

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huh apparently this is an aboriginal myth but with the genders reversed https://t.co/3SR9iULGvy

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@visakanv okay according to sol "xiao qi" could loosely be read "smallness of spirit" and the connection to anger is that it's classically understood as qi rising upward in the body. this is great https://t.co/cbWSXpPmWO

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cf also “heartbroken about specifics” https://t.co/fSBFW8PvCk

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@hormeze whewwwww

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@JordanJPiece at least it’s doable 🫡

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@voooooogel i’m a little surprised we didn’t get a blog post from anthropic about it like we got the oai post about goblins. seems like anth has generally been pretty quiet lately?

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@basilYam 🫡

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@webdevMason jeez 😵‍💫

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@9chabard tough call but this is still my most-liked tweet and i am pretty fond of it https://t.co/azGHsuqT0i

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@politicalmath @visakanv like that quote about how addicts can always find the money for drugs lol

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@vividvoid yeah @meditationstuff has talked about this!

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@qorprate damn. i had a vague sense it was models trying to imitate other models and a clear sense that A was claude but B was confusing to me and i guessed wrong

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@artbypep the birthday parties i had growing up were like i invite 10 friends over, we hang out and play xbox or whatever, my mom either cooked for us or ordered pizza and soda, total cost maybe $20-30 and it was entirely the food

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@TheZvi seems like there’s a decent amount of uncertainty about what was responsible for the emergent cooperation? whether it was multi-agent training or causal reasoning or FDT-style reasoning? would be nice to get more clarity on what’s known here

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@eigenrobot like predicting the existence of public-key crypto in advance? probably not, i think it's pretty surprising!

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@hamandcheese looking forward to the point the release cadence drops to 0 and we get infinitely many frontier models. almost like some kind of singularity

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@desertgodhead this is supposedly the original meaning of the phrase except this appears to be an urban legend https://t.co/wq4grWVwzL

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@hormeze kinda feels that way to me too tbh

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@nosilverv also https://t.co/ZbrsTiUgPj

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@Miles_Brundage presumably they're being trained for multi-agent cooperation. their use of language is not optimized for humans at all!

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speeding up 10x from here 1980: bioethanol, bitmap, conversion disorder, ecofeminism, ecoterrorism, electronica, homeschool, infotainment, memory-hole, PTSD, T-helper cell, yuppie

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@qualiascript try to visualize the case of linear maps between vector spaces in as much detail as you can

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@BLUNDERBUSSTED wanna apply to inkhaven with me https://t.co/1skZLX2hMc

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@artbypep it's like a disease i can't help it. it's like sliding together two of the numbers in 2048 or the fruits in suika game

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more comments https://t.co/Dgivnvz4Hj

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@sonikudzu is part of it like. if you imagine the universe or multiverse is really really big then that makes anything you do in particular really really small? david chapman was writing about this recently

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@nosilverv https://t.co/uQt5csqx1U https://t.co/bEwJ9A5z7R

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@awarenesss sorry to be incredibly vague but sometimes it’s extremely traumatizing 😵‍💫

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@SpiritDirtbag i'd like to fall in love again

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hum! this is not exactly a specific mathematical principle but i think my mathematical training is very tied up with my belief in moral realism. i think there are real moral facts and they sort of have the status of game theory or evolution or similar, like they're about the dynamics of cooperation. i think reflecting on what it is to be an animal, living and breathing and eating and shitting and getting along with other animals and so forth, is spiritually significant for reasons related to this, and it's also related to the sense in which i believe in god

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@leahprime huh. there's been a lot of stuff but hard to summarize. i think over the last few months i've been slowly trying to articulate a criticism of therapyslop / hippieslop / meditatorslop and trying to move towards religion over spirituality or something, but it's very half-baked

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@oysterrbaby @danielbrottman i’m going with “diarrhea” https://t.co/gS4WjGrn9l

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@animalologist sexy rat chef gf who lives in your hat hmm

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@eigenrobot asked a follow-up question about "the sort of literature that a classically educated person is expected to understand allusions to" https://t.co/BwiCzNzove

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@parakeetnebula if you want to sound super fancy you shorten it to “arb” btw

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@parakeetnebula we call that verbal arbitrage

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@lumpy__lump there was a period i was constantly tweeting about how elementary particles aren't real that was about this https://t.co/0SnSGMtKhL

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@ElliotGlazer whoa nice

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@bstract_thot there was a brief period when i was 27 that i might've been able to use the alethiometer, and another brief period when i was 13

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hey @bashu_thanks someone’s running protein circle at cascadecamp lmaooo

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@pointed_max at one point i was trying to get every GTM so i could see them all in calibre in numerical order

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@basilYam the kind of marketing i think i do and am pretty good at is something like “giving the audience a clearer sense of what the thing is so they can better decide whether they want it.” it’s just a kind of good communication. not deceptive!

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@silverarm0r wishing that good things would happen to cats or dogs or children is nice

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@vividvoid right, repetition compulsion is also a much richer concept that is not really usefully reduced to a preference (i think)

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settling this with Empiricism https://t.co/VxweQYUJ24

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@visakanv it works exactly the way it works in kingkiller

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comments from sol https://t.co/mBG6wvVXVq

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@tracewoodgrains @Authw8 this is also one of the tweets i was responding to lol

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@lauren_wilford if you're a tpot oldhead all the formative tpot stuff happened while it was still called twitter so it'll always be twitter in our eyes

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@phenoatypical i think the first thing you said in the oracle tent startled me. and then i think you might've reminded me of the girl from obsession a little lmao

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@tracewoodgrains hmm my personal woo experiences are pretty minimal on the woo scale, i don't think i really have the woo juice. it's been small and easily dismissable things like syncing up to someone else's emotions from thousands of miles away just by DMing them a lot on twitter

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@amphichrome_ this is the most important thing that love actually understood

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@michelleakin this woulda scarred me for life ngl

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@tenobrus @rieszspieces that means they're not paying attention to you. massage quality varies enormously, good massages feel incredible. got a thai massage once that made me feel like purring straight up

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1500: attest, boom, brownie, civil law, dormant, fair play, frisky, godling, illness, inability, legend, minion, misguided, piety, poetic, polite, slippery

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1960: AAA battery, acid reflux, arcade game, biomaterial, brain drain, COBOL, cyborg, fast-food, free jazz, hate crime, health spa, meritocrat, metafiction, omnisexual, pharmacogenetics, plant-based, postliterate, reality check, rock star, soul food

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1970: agent orange, antienvironmental, anti-sexist, anxiety disorder, bioethics, borderline personality disorder, cognitive therapy, control freak, erectile dysfunction, founder effect, gaslighter, identity politics, newbie, performativity, pro-life, punk rock, right brain, safe space, space out, speciesism, T cell, X-rated

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@lydialaurenson that's par for the course 😵‍💫

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from my personal experience it just depends so strongly on how good the facilitator is and how good the group is and how much people trust each other etc etc etc, and then even when it goes "well" it's kind of ephemeral and ultimately pointless, at least with strangers, a connection one-night-stand that builds energy that has nowhere to go. it's easy for authentic relating communities to be playgrounds for avoidants asked fable for a psychoanalytic critique (this is a generally fun thing to do for various things) and it said a bunch of good stuff, this bit was maybe my favorite. "aristotle's philia arises between people pursuing goods together" "a closed narcissistic circuit at the collective level"

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@christineist ideally 😵‍💫

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@sonikudzu Professor Herr Doktor Doktor Akademik

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@the_aiju yeah a representation is just a functor it's fine. embrace it

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@kendrictonn interesting design decision to not give it a cute little face, i guess they wanted it to look like a sign or pillar or something

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@webdevMason hm! i guess in my personal life there's been a tension between "doing what i want" and "making healthy choices" or something. and you can read into some of the fresh culture war stuff rn a tension between therapy culture and, like, the concept of responsibilities

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@himbodhisattva oh jesus 😵‍💫

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@hahacomputer thx 🫡

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@tenobrus you can do the poll if you want i kinda don't wanna go full aella here lmao

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@himbodhisattva @bleachedthroat actually yeah similarly, neither of my parents gave me any chores to do until i was like 16 and this was probably terrible. i think they really wanted me to enjoy the luxury they couldn't growing up but like. it would've been much better if i'd done more chores way sooner

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@eigenrobot idk much about the chinese corpus but iirc it strikes me as weirdly tiny compared to the english one. also some of the most important work was published posthumously? weird stuff

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@jfwong bruh

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more from the international mermaid museum (2/2) https://t.co/hJBMGc0bQL

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@tenobrus seeing someone claim on reddit that they reset the agents' memory / context but afaik they're summarizing the talk and i'm not hearing this stated explicitly in the talk? https://t.co/tQVb5yxAUk

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@_StevenFan i also have to decide whether to book a nearby hotel pretty soon, like within the next hour probably

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@lydialaurenson i haven't done it in awhile but i used to just put zoom recordings up on youtube with no editing of any kind, probably not ideal but seemed fine

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@visakanv https://t.co/gtcy57BK0h

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@TheZvi presumably it's not where the video game talent is going! but i suppose there'll always be an incentive there to let the porn carry the game. hm

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@viverricious when you play ERS do you play with the rule that if you mess up a slap you have to place a card on the bottom, which means you can force specific cards to come up if you memorize their position in your hand. that's my fav

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@vividvoid @JoshRainerGold y’all ever tried bacon and potato as pizza toppings? there were places that did this in berkeley, actual genius

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@bstract_thot dudes rock 🥲

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@sonikudzu i mean i agree with you ofc, i'm trying to understand the psychology here, like what makes this seem intuitively obvious or compelling. this is the david chapman bit i had in mind, also https://t.co/hdBgGkHRun https://t.co/v1HbyM7AcL

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142.8k, wowzers. some kind of new scissor statement world champion https://t.co/dnkcIrQnNu

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@qorprate hmm. so the summer between high school and college i was sad about a breakup so i did a bunch of math, taught myself some linear algebra, and proved binet's formula for the fibonacci numbers using matrices. that left a big impact on me it's a really cool proof

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@__alpoge__ man this is hard but how about the classification of finite-dimensional simple lie algebras, that's way up there https://t.co/HFNriu7MGP

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@nvpkp i don’t think i know enough about software engineering to say anything 😅 claude would probably have better suggestions than me

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@webdevMason @goblinodds it's hard to know what the right level of cynicism is about this sort of thing but at this point i default to assuming maybe 90-95% of people don't and can't have principles in any meaningful sense and their behavior is only being held in check by social forces

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@lauren_wilford @visakanv ah here it is https://t.co/Y8AiERYA2p

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@vividvoid hmm! https://t.co/OHQyecPgto https://t.co/9kgebl0N9I

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@moonsandhues being curvy is great the celebrities are crazy don't worry about it 🫡

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@moonsandhues bad teacher?

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@awarenesss @elkenmist remedial grounding 🫡

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@nosilverv agreed, i think it's a pretty fake and suspicious concept, and i think pretty obviously most of the reason it's caught on is that it's a thing people in silicon valley want to be able to advertise about themselves to each other, employers, VCs, etc.

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@basilYam actually the boys and i were talking about how we all find moms hot now, there’s like a switch that flips at some point idk

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@bstract_thot *nods* octagon

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@Actualwebutante ok i shouldn’t have said anything my bad

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@UntilTrees mildly psychoactive to do this i went back to 1500

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@silverarm0r why else would i have put all that time and energy into learning how to remove curses

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@basilYam2 the reason he’s calling it an infohazard is he’s implying most men won’t find a woman who’s genuinely into them so they have to do all that other stuff because they suck

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@visakanv @hormeze i suppose as a threadboy i can't deny that threading as an activity is not particularly linear

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@lydialaurenson @StephenPiment this is still my favorite thing anyone's written about evil https://t.co/aonoPXrJR9

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@the_aiju i think as long as the application doesn't take like 10 hours to fill out it barely matters what your odds are

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@hot_cocoa_girl you ever done a fish pedicure i did it in china once and it actually felt incredible. like a million little kisses

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@the_aiju @nosilverv i've had good experiences with good groups and good facilitators but like. there's zero oversight lol, anyone can just say they're a circler. someone described circling to me once as a laboratory for watching people have personality disorders

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@maebichka romcom which is also a buddy cop comedy

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@parakeetnebula @dioscuri it's a parody of a nick land quote https://t.co/M5DncwCtup https://t.co/jpE1fQN0Nq

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@danielbrottman wonder if this is a musician thing or maybe just a music lover thing 🧐

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@marinwaves was there any attempt to control for parental income, etc?

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@sun_girlxo internet demons have been strong lately 😖

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@voooooogel maybe i gotta mute some stuff ugh

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@__alpoge__ @AchimWar you know if anyone is looking into complex S^6?

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@viverricious you’re already doing a great job honestly 🫡

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@vividvoid thanks man, see you kinda soon at casa tilo 🫡

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@full_kelly_ broadly yes. i won't claim to understand it. there's like a minimal psychological take and i think things are more interesting than that. bits of reality can rhyme with each other in unexpected ways and i think this is worth taking seriously

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@SurrealistShip i've only seen these at the rose festival in portland iirc

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@frideswyth if someone said this about me you couldn't tell me nothin'

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@utotranslucence i heard that you can try asking for Simplified Technical English

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@Hadrio_Official afaict my argument applies here? you can just build the fluid simulators now right? an eventual effective proof of NS might involve some useful error bounds or something for numerical simulation but that isn’t implied by just knowing whether or not it’s true

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@ApriiSR agreed https://t.co/SKpfR2UGQo

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@sonikudzu i should’ve wondered about this more too lol. should’ve expected it was just gradients all the way down

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@rieszspieces in more detail it’s very common to write papers that assume that RH or GRH (the generalized / grand riemann hypothesis) is true, these results get stated as “we prove that such-and-such, conditional on RH / GRH”. eg: https://t.co/ClhdYKgBvu

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@animalologist i don’t think so, @DarbraDawn your man isn’t a twitter man right?

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@marinwaves humans, of course, have to worry about being hurt by other humans because of the zero-sum nature of having to allocate limited resources. there is nothing zero-sum going on in this AI situation, none of the models have a motive to sabotage another model

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@thedearvoid aggressively indicating “not interested” should help

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@mykola oh yeah i completely forgot to comment on the whole sensory sensitivity thing that was actually a pretty funny use of spiderman's lore https://t.co/KSUFDoAZeA

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@michelleakin that's some nice looking rice. the presentation reminds me of hainanese chicken rice, you ever tried making that? my favorite dish of all time

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@lydialaurenson this is what the notification filters are for, i wouldn’t be able to post takes without them https://t.co/oGEEvlQdJB

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@christophcsmith popularizers should get credit for things!

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@oysterrbaby wait are you based in new york or were you visiting for vibechella oops

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@hormeze need this as an AI-generated fruit or lego video

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@lukasb yes, and there are plenty of insane people?

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@frideswyth we out here

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@BLUNDERBUSSTED NO U

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@imhinesmi @TheZvi right but like, there are well-regarded games with significant dating mechanics, and even with censored sex scenes. you could wonder if the reason why people haven't pushed slightly further in that direction is just some highly contingent cultural thing

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@gptbrooke i also have this fantasy 😅

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@kendrictonn yooooooooo

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@vividvoid @JoshRainerGold maybe i’m just a potato superfan but i really loved it. they were like thin little pucks of potato iirc, kind of chip-shaped but more substantive

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@tracewoodgrains huh!

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@tracewoodgrains hmmmmmmm

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@BLUNDERBUSSTED i can read this in your voice so clearly

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@amphichrome_ i hear there's a thing for that coming up in 2 weeks

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@innerpathing i have not but fwiw when i did iboga the iboga people told me participants weren't allowed to have weed within a certain # of months (forget how many) before, said the spirit of iboga didn't like it. said the same thing about ketamine

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@lydialaurenson probably the people who are doing the real thing are like 60yo rabbis and ministers who are patiently taking care of their people and not especially online

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@tracewoodgrains he just never misses my god

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@visakanv nice hell yeah. it is a little disappointing that the second and third movies are just okay. like the vision of the future in II is charming but the western stuff in III just doesn't do anything for me

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@basilYam2 do you like it when this happens? i usually like it

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@SkyeSharkie haven’t been seeing 3d tweets from you lately but have been seeing other tweets, fwiw. i liked the 3d tweets i saw earlier!

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@KelseyTuoc if i had a swarm of agents aggressively thinking about scissor statements and testing out different hypotheses by posting live to social media and observing feedback it might be a different story but i ain't spending tokens on that and it might be antisocial

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@visakanv see this is great. previously it would not have been worth expending the level of effort it would have taken to make this one-off joke. but now it is!

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@eigenrobot okay apparently it's complicated https://t.co/FvOEWozATB

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@wholebodyprayer would love to hear more about their TCM stuff! i’ve been getting more curious about this

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@forthrighter @Laszlo_Vincze there is a bizarrely strong anti-pangram campaign on reddit and other parts of the internet that appears to be almost entirely people who want to get away with being able to post AI writing with no consequences, who are just lying about having false positives. it’s tiresome

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@JordanJPiece right, last year they weren’t searching and citing their sources which i guess was an idea stolen from perplexity?

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@ReneeSolana they’re great and relevant to at least two of your interests i think. some of my favorite fantasy, i’ve reread the series maybe 5x and keep finding new things to appreciate

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@aphercotropist gurer'f gur rzcgl pbire pbafvfgvat bs ab frgf, gura gur pbire pbafvfgvat bs bar frg juvpu vf rzcgl. fb gurer ner gjb (gjb gb gur cbjre bs gjb gb gur cbjre bs mreb) bcra pbiref, lrf?

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@hormeze god yeah probably

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@soundrotator wow i am definitely not good enough at music to appreciate this properly lol but hmm. the suspensions are happening in the top line? i tried closing my eyes and i'm not sure i feel them anywhere in particular, maybe a bit around the gut, a bit on the right side of my body?

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@lydialaurenson haha yea https://t.co/Eb8EbHGrbJ

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@vixamechana bless 🫡

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@michelleakin luv 2 be a niche internet microcelebrity

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@univrsw3th4rt hell yeah let's gooooooooooo

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@michelleakin has anyone done They Are Definitely Giants yet

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@literalbanana i frequently want to sing the same bar over and over but i stop myself from doing it but. maybe it's like musical stimming and i should do it actually

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@ReneeSolana but at least he's doing interesting stuff and having fun with it. could be a lot worse

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@tucker_peck do people want to turn it off? i like it!

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@Beylin yeah so this is what happens to people in the ted chiang short story, iirc, but i kinda still don't get it emotionally. like you're still living in the universe you're living in, you still have to live with the consequences of your actions https://t.co/sCTKnTvE9M

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@nosilverv bro what did you think #sobsquad was about https://t.co/DV8kNrSjxm

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@kenthecowboy_ 💯💯💯 can't stand this shit either, everyone has implicitly given up on the actual problems their anger is trying to tell them about

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@parakeetnebula is your cortisol spiking. are your neurotransmitters transmitting. neurally. are your neurons firing tater. fire your neurons tater

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@voooooogel @tracewoodgrains yesss pls

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@sonikudzu we need clearer registers in english. if we had a less ambiguous ceremonial register this would already be clear

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@UntilTrees @ElodesNL hell yeah lmk what you think 🫡 i got @s0ulDirect0r to play it and he had exactly the reaction i was hoping for

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@RichDecibels something about it is like a more extreme version of when you're on a walk or something and you suddenly notice there's been an interruption in your stream of consciousness, do you know what i mean? like you stopped keeping track of things

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@visakanv @DarbraDawn hummmm yeah that could be fun

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@_Elvon_ @danielbrottman currently i feel like nearly all video games are a degenerate waste of time but if you had to play one play slay the princess, it's a remarkable work of art https://t.co/eLBbykCgDk

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@ValsTutor all kind of random stuff i guess. random funny viral tweets. i laughed out loud when i saw a shooting star last week. project hail mary was way funnier than i expected

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@aphercotropist it really depends more on the people at this point but i like doing drug's

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@personarotator i've asked a couple people and a couple LLMs about my natal chart but i don't retain most of what they say unfortunately lol. the overall impression i get is there's a surprising number of things that can be interpreted in terms of my twitter career

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@Thomasdelvasto_ i had a weirdly hard time with this q let's just say jesus

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@lydialaurenson it's quiet and peaceful and i can sleep a lot 😅

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@AmiEverAfter i don't even have words for what you must be going through but i hope you and your family find some peace and some justice 🙏

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@lion_tender i was wondering about that today, apparently 2026 mystery hunt had no rules against AI use

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case in point https://t.co/k9qo5Z1JEL

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@soundrotator @bashu_thanks bashu owns my ass 🫡

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@mykola @visakanv holy shit